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#1 2009-11-04 16:58:14
U.S. military-age youth are increasingly unfit to serve — mostly because they’re in such lousy shape.
According to the latest Pentagon figures, a full 35 percent, or more than one-third, of the roughly 31.2 million Americans aged 17 to 24 are unqualified for military service because of physical and medical issues. And, said Curt Gilroy, the Pentagon’s director of accessions, “the major component of this is obesity. We have an obesity crisis in the country. There’s no question about it."
The Pentagon draws its data from the Centers for Disease Control, which regularly tracks obesity. The steadily rising trend is not good news for military recruiters, despite their recent successes, nor for the overall health of the U.S. population.
In 1987, according to the CDC, a mere 6 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds, or about 1 out of 20, were obese. In 2008, 22 years later, 23 percent of that age group — almost 1 out of 4 — was considered to be obese.
The CDC measures obesity by body mass index, a figure calculated from height and weight that is considered a reliable indicator of body fatness for most people. According to the CDC, the body mass index for a man standing 6 feet, 2 inches tall and weighing 170 pounds is 21.8; the normal range lies between 18.5 and 24.9. Below that range is considered underweight; a BMI of 25 to 29.9 is considered overweight. A person with a body mass index of 30 or greater is considered to be obese.
Obese individuals are at increased risk for a number of diseases and health conditions, including hypertension, Type 2 diabetes, coronary heart disease, stroke, some cancers and other problems, according to the CDC. In addition to those concerns, the military rejects obese recruits in part because so much extra weight likely couldn’t be dropped during the course of basic training — even if they could get through the entire program.
“Kids are just not able to do push-ups," Gilroy said. “And they can’t do pull-ups. And they can’t run."
The reasons are “almost common knowledge, Gilroy said — what he called “the couch potato syndrome" and the widespread elimination of scholastic physical fitness programs.
Mission: Readiness
In a study being released Thursday in Washington, Education Secretary Arne Duncan and a group of retired military officers led by former Army Gen. Wesley Clark will sound the alarm bells and call young Americans’ relative lack of overall fitness for military duty a national security threat. The group, Mission: Readiness, will release a report that draws on Pentagon data showing that 75 percent of the nation’s 17- to 24-year-olds are ineligible for service for a variety of reasons.Put another way, only 4.7 million of the 31.2 million 17- to 24-year-olds in a 2007 survey are eligible to enlist, according to a periodic survey commissioned by the Pentagon. This group includes those who have scored in the top four categories on the Armed Forces Qualification Test, or AQFT; eligible college graduates; and qualified college students.
According to the Pentagon, the ineligible population breaks down this way:
•Medical/physical problems, 35 percent.
•Illegal drug use, 18 percent.
•Mental Category V (the lowest 10 percent of the population), 9 percent.
•Too many dependents under age 18, 6 percent.
•Criminal record, 5 percent.
Waivers
Some conditions or situations can be waivered or are periodically loosened by the services, as is the case with certain medical conditions, such as asthma. Waiverable examples include limited marijuana use and having too many dependents. For example, the Pentagon says a waiver is required when an applicant is married and has more than two dependents under 18, or is unmarried and has custody of any dependents under 18. Waiver policies vary depending on the needs of the service.
The group of potential enlistees is further slimmed by the “propensity to serve" among American youths, which social scientists say also is declining. According to Gilroy, research shows that about 12 percent of all U.S. military-eligible youth show an interest in military service.
The Pentagon just finished a record year for recruiting. Every active and reserve component met or exceeded both their numeric and quality recruiting goals for fiscal 2009. Each easily exceeded the Pentagon goal of having at least 90 percent of recruits be high school graduates, and having 60 percent or more score at or above the 50th percentile on the AFQT.
But the weak economy has helped, as has increased spending on recruiting. And given the ever-shrinking pool of potential candidates, concern grows. Bill Carr, undersecretary of defense for military personnel policy, says that to maintain the force, the military has to attract more than 15 percent of qualified young Americans.
The difference is, to some degree, made up through the use of waivers. About 1 in 5 recruits still requires a waiver of some sort to enter the service, with about two-thirds for conduct and one-third for medical issues, Carr said.
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#2 2009-11-04 17:38:03
- MarineAuntie
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Back when I was growing up every day we played outside for hours. My father actually used to close and lock the door - no matter what the weather - and we'd have to keep moving because we didn't have all the new-fangled fancy clothing and shoes or boots to keep us warm. If it was wintertime we would stick pieces of plastic sheeting inside our shoes and just accept the cold. We usually sledded on plastic sheeting or on the handle-less lids off of metal trashcans. In the fall we'd gather hundreds of acorns and sticks and launch attacks on each other - wielding the same old abused trash can lids as shields. Practically every kid in the neighborhood would be out like this, roaming around playing pickup games of tag or war, staging races down the street, exploring the creek and its surrounding woods, wading in the water trying to catch tadpoles and minnows.
I don't remember there being any fat kids in my neighborhood.
Nowadays they're all inside, sitting in front of computer screens and TVs playing endless video games and chatting ad nauseum on the computer or with Twitter. No one ever just sends their kids outside anymore. No, we plan their activities with organized games of baseball, soccer, and football - everything regulated by adults everywhere - and spontaneity seems to be out of the question. If little Johnny doesn't like getting sweaty or hot his parents will often let him substitute something less challenging. When I was an assistant Boy Scoutmaster it was ridiculous how a sedentary, overweight woman like me could actually out-hike 13 year olds who huffed and puffed their way through flat-terrained five mile hikes, often complaining bitterly about the onerousness of it all and demanding that we stop to rest.
We are raising a nation of soda-chugging, cookie-munching, chip-dipping snackers and over-indulgers, afraid to walk out their door and turn over a few rocks in their back yards or the woods near their homes to see what they can find, incapable or even dissuaded from finding something physical and spontaneous and challenging to do.
Other than that I can't possibly see what the problem is here.
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#3 2009-11-04 19:13:10
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DANG MA ; I remember doing the same thing, Snow Ball Fights, not going home untill your mon used called you for the third time and the third time was with your full name.
Summer time buying a coke and let your friend have some right out of the bottle,
those were the fun times.
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#4 2009-11-04 19:30:31
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Those times are not completely gone!! Some if us parents still promote physical activities outdoors!! It might not be the norm now, but it is done! My son can out do his classmates in push-ups, crunches, pull-ups, running, etc. He even beat some of the football players in a running race!! He was shocked that they weren't more fit. It is sad for those children who have parents that place them in front of the TV or video games...................I call that poor parenting!! Reading is also good, but the physical is more important for good health. I also put a time limit on video games/TV. So many parents appear to be lazy in giving their kids ethics and morals. Just saying..........(I bet that most of the "heavy kids" do not have a Veteran for a parent)


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#5 2009-11-04 20:11:09
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Video games/TV
They are called baby sitting, except you don't have to pay any one to watch your kids.
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#6 2009-11-05 02:20:37
Judith Plis wrote:
Those times are not completely gone!! Some if us parents still promote physical activities outdoors!! It might not be the norm now, but it is done! My son can out do his classmates in push-ups, crunches, pull-ups, running, etc. He even beat some of the football players in a running race!! He was shocked that they weren't more fit. It is sad for those children who have parents that place them in front of the TV or video games...................I call that poor parenting!! Reading is also good, but the physical is more important for good health. I also put a time limit on video games/TV. So many parents appear to be lazy in giving their kids ethics and morals. Just saying..........(I bet that most of the "heavy kids" do not have a Veteran for a parent)http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport013.gifhttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport011.gifhttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport014.gif http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport004.gif
Judith, I like the way you put "still promote physical activities outdoors". In our case it was more of a necessity.
Doing the annual acrobatic activities of scaling the tiers of a tobacco barn or throwing around 60 - 80 lbs hay bales for 9 -10 hours a day and them performing the twice daily milking chores and all associated activity seem to pale in comparison. And not to mention if you wanted to stay warm at night you chopped wood or brought in the coal.
I entered basic in Oct of 66 and was lucky enough to get the mid cycle Christmas break in Dec of the same year. I was a little taken back when I was told at the ripe old age of 18 that the Army was making me soft.
Somewhere along the lines in the 80's we went through a period of MOS based physical training where we trained at what we would actually do if the big, big balloon actually went up. Things like humping equivalent weights of tactical ammo or throwing around cases of supplies to construct pallets etc. Some of the warfighters determined this was not effective physical training and opted for running instead. So yeah we reinvented the wheel so to speak but no one understood how come loggies were no longer maxing PT tests.
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#7 2009-11-05 06:35:58
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I think I was the only one who gained weight in my Basic Training Squad. But, I'd been working on my uncle's haying crew all over Texas that summer, bucking square bales up onto the trailer. Basic had lot's more food and lot's less work.
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#8 2009-11-05 08:30:26
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we were outside most off the time cause all we had was a radio and the only time it was one was for a couple of hours at night, did see my first TV until 1958 and then we had to go down to my grandmothers house to watch good old ED SULIVAN SHOW, got to the point i didnt even like it, so out side i went, and in my own opinion, most of the kids now days dont play out side cause the perants are afraid that they might come in contact with a germ or two, during the summer can remember going out into the garden and pulling up carrots and brushing the dirt off of them an eating it and usually manage to eat some dirt with it, and like it was said we stay out until mom called us the third of fourth time and by then it was our full name, and the old saying DONT MAKE ME COME AND GET YOU, when that was said you had better head for the house, cause if you didnt look out the old razor strap came off the wall.
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#9 2009-11-06 14:34:55
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wildman wrote:
DANG MA ; I remember doing the same thing, Snow Ball Fights, not going home untill your mon used called you for the third time and the third time was with your full name.
Summer time buying a coke and let your friend have some right out of the bottle,
those were the fun times.
For sure. And the other thing was that something like Coke or candy was an isolated treat enjoyed every once in a while. We never, ever had Coke or any other soda in our home, just milk and water (juice was usually too expensive, although if we were visiting our grandmother we'd get a little 3 ounce glass of OJ every morning with breakfast). Every Sunday my parents would load the five of us into the car and we'd go to 9 a.m. Mass, then if we had all been good we'd drive into town to the drug store and each one of us get to pick out a candy bar. I still remember the hissy fit my father threw when he found out the price had gone up from 6 to 8 cents. Went on about it for weeks. Coke came in those little 6 ounce bottles and I remember going for months at a time without one. It was usually only when it was extremely hot outside and Dad was feeling particularly generous. Then we'd stand there and drink the whole thing on the spot at the gas station so we could return the bottle for the deposit, which could be applied toward the next time we had Coke.
We were a little wild running around that neighborhood, and sometimes either couldn't hear or claimed we couldn't hear Mom calling us for dinner. Imagine our horror when she produced a cowbell one day and announced that from now on she was calling us to dinner with that! Gawd, the humiliation ... We'd be off at the creek trying to catch crayfish (I guess most people would call them either crawdads or crawfish), and that d**n bell would start ringing and all the other kids would tell us to go home because our mother was calling. Some of them had to have the smirks wiped off their faces before they learned not to comment on the stupid bell.
For Panther and Ramrod, who probably found basic training a nice bringdown from their usually arduous activities, I post this letter which was making the rounds of the internet a few years ago. I remember my niece sent it to me after she finished up at Parris Island:
A LETTER FROM A FARMER, NOW AT CAMP PENDLETON
Dear Ma and Pa;
Am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Marine Corps beats working for the old man by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before maybe all of the places are filled. I was restless at first because you got to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m., but am getting so I like to sleep late.
Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing. Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there is warm water.
Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc..., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food. But tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit between boys that live on coffee. Their food plus yours holds you till noon, when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.
Marches, which the Platoon Sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it is not my place to tell him different. It is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys gets sore feet and we all ride back in trucks. The country is nice but awful flat. The Sergeant is like a schoolteacher. He nags some.
The Capt. is like the school board. Majors and Colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.
This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk and don't move. And it ain't shooting at you, like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.
Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.
Your loving daughter, Gail
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