k8wilder wrote:

You asked how I found this site.  I have a Google Alert for my name, and anytime someone posts something about me, I get an alert.

LTC I never had any dought about who you are, based on my post and research. Sadly some people are gun shy. A google alert, outstanding. And yes you have all the right to defend yourself if you are being questioned or your service is being questioned.

I have no problem with your support of Mrs. Clinton, as that is the right of every American citizen and soldier to stand behind a person that you feel is someone who you believe in. I think most here are afraid of a women becoming President, and even though they say they are not, as long as it is not Mrs. Clinton, I think they are 'fos' It is Hillary who is running not Bill, but some people just do not understand that.

Anyway welcome aboard.

Doug Kirk wrote:

If anyone is going to tell me they support John Q Public, I want to know why.

If you don't care too explain your position then maby this isn't the place for you.

Right Brother?

I agree,  I never met Hillary Clinton.  I would like to know more.  I don't want to know more from the New Yorks times about Hillary,   just like I would not want more about Bush from Rush L.

SF.

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You asked how I found this site.  I have a Google Alert for my name, and anytime someone posts something about me, I get an alert.  I've been doing this ever since some people who know nothing about me or my SF experience started discussing me on a discussion forum on another site last summer.  I was shocked to read the lies that were being posted, and by people who had never met me or were never in any position to know my story.  I let too much of that go by, and I've decided that, even though I don't want to blog, I have to jump in and set the record straight.  I'm doing so for the first time, and on your site. 
as posted by k8wilder


that bob seger song comes to mind

your so vain i bet you think the soldiers are postin about you, your so vain....

ALLONS wrote:

Lt Colonel Kate Wilder,

I yahoo searched you and google searched you and the only links that show up are ones asking for support and money in an run to be a POL.

Would love to see that DD-214.

Know of one other female who claimed to be a SF.

Just a question?


ALLONS

From all I know Her brief bio is accurate.  She at least "met" threshold requirements.  You can go to the link to the SF site.  She was Tabed SF,  no question there.  She is the one and only women to have been be Tabed. 

I think Doug's questions are interesting.   I know those who served under Clinton felt that his administration treated the military like some bastered child, not very good.   Marine Corps ethics dictate you take care of your troops.  The Clinton administration craped on our troops. 

Clearification; Clinton administration, mean Bill Clinton.   How that equates to Hillary, is a quess.   Listening to Bill after 9/11, I think he had a change view of the military.

More from ProfessionalSoldiers.com

"Seems Kate Wilder is stumping for b*** *** bill clinton's wife.

Seems Kate Wilder is using google to "find her name on the internet" and set the story straight.

It would seem she cannot find her way here to ProfessionalSoldiers.com, we must not be getting picked up on google.

Seems Kate is about to cash in on her "Green Beret" as she states she's writing a book. I'm betting the book comes out just before the 2008 presidential nomination. Funny how that works.

I wonder if Kate knows the "Green Beret" that john kerry "rescued"?

Consider this an invite Kate, there's a few hundred Special Forces soldiers on this website just waiting to ask you a few questions.

http://www.AllMilitary.com/board/viewtopic.ph … ;p=1"


Source:  http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/for … post186622

I guess it is normal partisan politics, in marketing the candidate.   Buyer beware.  I saw a list of whom people trust the least, I think politicians less trusted than used cars sales people.

Polish it up real good, make the out side look really good, who cares what is inside.  I loath elections years.  People just goes nuts with self absorbed partisan political obsessions. No wonder apathy is a big problem with citizens, it is not term limits that need to be established it is limits on partisan Political BS that needs to be.

I guess we will know more later on this issue.  Or does it really matter?

Last edited by Hollis (2007-10-26 08:56:33)

Doug Kirk wrote:

Hollis wrote:

I guess it is normal partisan politics, in marketing the candidate.   Buyer beware.  I saw a list of whom people trust the least, I think politicians less trusted than used cars sales people.

Polish it up real good, make the out side look really good, who cares what is inside.  I loath elections years.  People just goes nuts with self absorbed partisan political obsessions. No wonder apathy is a big problem with citizens, it is not term limits that need to be established it is limits on partisan Political BS that needs to be.

I guess we will know more later on this issue.  Or does it really matter?

Off the subject a little.

What is going on with Portland Elementary schools and this birth controll thing?

Are you up to sppeed on that?

Maby we need a new thread on this.

Wow!  I'm just now checking back in since the first time that I posted, and am surprised to see some of your comments.  This is exactly why I never wanted to get involved with blog sites and discussion forums.  My initial intention was to set the record straight and move on. But I didn't realize that it would bring out such reaction on the part of some people.  That's why I don't intend to post again, as I'm not interested in reading other people's vitriol.

As for the other discussion forum that you provided the link to, I've just now checked it out.  I've never seen it before, and have no intensions of visiting it again.  But I see that they've quoted an individual whose comments I have seen before and who, for whatever his reasons are, pretends to know my story...which he does not.  Everything he has stated about me is a falsehood, and it is because of his statements that I've found it necessary to do a Google Alert.  While we are still deciding what to do about this individual, I will leave all of you with this one piece of advice: in this country we have laws to protect people from defamation of character.  When one is defamed and it is in written form, it is called libel.  Libel laws pertain to the internet as well as to print.  You may state any 'opinion' you wish, but when you state something as fact and it's a lie, then it's libel and the individual who wrote it is subject to the laws of the land.  So I caution you all to beware of what you write and how you write it.     

I was going to respond to some of your comments, but decided it best not to and just move on. 

Thank you, SSG Mike Ivy, for your gracious welcome and nice comments.  It's always a pleasure to meet a gentleman.

Signing off.....

This is from the Weekly Standard, I'm guessing it showed up on Kate's google alert.  It'll be interesting to see if she goes after them for libel too. :-)

The only green beret ever awarded to a woman came from a judge. According to retired Special Forces officer Lt. Col. William E. Bailey, Cpt. Kathleen Wilder attended all three phases of Special Forces training in the summer of 1980, but during the final week "she and two male students were caught caching their rucksacks. That is, she and her compatriots were not carrying the rucksacks as required by the instructors, but hiding them to pick up at a later time and date in what is referred to as a Mission Support Site. All three were dropped from the course, ostensibly for cheating." The men accepted the outcome, Bailey has written, but Wilder got a lawyer who argued she was a victim of sex discrimination. The court agreed, ordering that she receive a course completion certificate. She never spent a day in an actual Special Forces unit, according to Bailey, but she continues to play off her reputation as "the nation's only female Green Beret."

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Publi … q.asp?pg=2

As to any other comments of a more personal nature - that would be fun to watch play out in court. (Not that I know whether they are true or not, but those lawsuits are never pretty.) I'm pretty sure Hilary wouldn't be a fan of that decision during the campaign.  Hollis, I'm pretty sure she isn't talking about you, but some of the commentary made on PS.com.

Last edited by Armywife74 (2007-10-28 14:46:41)

Armywife74 wrote:

This is from the Weekly Standard, I'm guessing it showed up on Kate's google alert.  It'll be interesting to see if she goes after them for libel too. :-)

The only green beret ever awarded to a woman came from a judge. According to retired Special Forces officer Lt. Col. William E. Bailey, Cpt. Kathleen Wilder attended all three phases of Special Forces training in the summer of 1980, but during the final week "she and two male students were caught caching their rucksacks. That is, she and her compatriots were not carrying the rucksacks as required by the instructors, but hiding them to pick up at a later time and date in what is referred to as a Mission Support Site. All three were dropped from the course, ostensibly for cheating." The men accepted the outcome, Bailey has written, but Wilder got a lawyer who argued she was a victim of sex discrimination. The court agreed, ordering that she receive a course completion certificate. She never spent a day in an actual Special Forces unit, according to Bailey, but she continues to play off her reputation as "the nation's only female Green Beret."

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Publi … q.asp?pg=2

As to any other comments of a more personal nature - that would be fun to watch play out in court. (Not that I know whether they are true or not, but those lawsuits are never pretty.) I'm pretty sure Hilary wouldn't be a fan of that decision during the campaign.  Hollis, I'm pretty sure she isn't talking about you, but some of the commentary made on PS.com.

Thank you,  I am not sure, a lot is not being said.  I think at first Doug and some others, including myself never knew of a women Green Beret.  I guess she can take us to court for being stupid.  I can easily admit that.   I wonder why she does not address her peers on ProfessionalSoldiers.com.   I am surely no one to argue the point one way or another, again I am stupid about most things US Army.  I would think it would be to her benefits to put any false information about her to sleep.  So I would wonder why she does not talk with those other Green Berets.  As a Marine, I never mind talking to other Marines.  It just seems strange.

If anyone can help her get to the bottom of any slander against her, it would be other Green Berets.    As I mentioned, to many of us just do not know enough about the Green Beret to make a comment one way or another.  Like you, it would nice to know, now that the topic has been resurrected from the past.   

I guess we can find out if she will discuss this with the other Green Berets or not. 
I guess the other thought, is on why not,  why would a person NOT want to discuss this with their own peers.   Did they really do something to be ashame of?  If this just some political diversion, or ????????

intherearwiththegear wrote:

The article in the link refers to the Army of that period as the "Hollow Army."

Hollow Army my a**! I was a member of class 6-80, A/2/5, Ft. Dix, NJ during basic training and it was anything but hollow. Five of the seven DI’s were ranger qualified and three of those wore the 75th scroll as their SSI/FWTS. All, save one, wore an SSI on the right shoulder. The DI who had never seen combat was as tough as the rest and I still maintain the utmost respect for him; Hooah SSG M! If any of our drills heard a recruit refer our unit as anything other than “Airborne Alpha" you got a boot in your fourth point because anything less was considered an insult. Our first day of basic training was 4 NOV 79. Does that date ring a bell? They took their job very serious and rightfully so; we were convinced that when we finished BCT and AIT we would head straight for Iran. We received some excellent training and I have not forgotten any of it.

If anything was lacking during that period it was a “can do" confident attitude from the individual in the oval office at the time; if Hillary is elected she will make him look highly motivated!

My father served during that time period and I certainly didn't mean to imply by my link that I endorsed the "Hollow Army" concept.  My father is my biggest hero and there's nothing "hollow" about him either.

However, when a publication like the Weekly Standard states that she got her beret through a lawsuit - I tend to believe it.  It is going to be hard for her to write a book and make herself look like a real Special Forces soldier when she 1. got her certificate with the help of a lawyer and 2. never served on a team after "earning" the certificate and Green Beret.  I'm just an outsider here, but in my opinion as a female, the fact that she immediately left the Special Forces community after she was handed her certificate speaks volumes. I love seeing walls broken down and new opportunities for my gender made available but she didn't do anything but piss people off - this tends to tighten up walls and restrictions.  She didn't PROVE anything but that she got herself a really good lawyer.  If she'd gone and gotten herself on an A-team afterwards and really proven herself as an 18A (commander)... that would be a totally different story.  I think it is unfortunate that she's known for this 2 months in her entire career that in the scheme of things was probably totally unremarkable.  I'll bet she had to have done other things that were very commendable, maybe even fantastic!  It is unfortunate that she can't be known for those, that instead she's chosen to call herself by something she didn't really follow through on.  For the sake of my gender, I wish we could hear more about LTC Kate Wilder and her career and an MI officer and the actual walls she broke down there.  I have a lot of female MI officer friends who could really use some good role models, not fantasy -fiction characters with political agendas.

And for the record, I don't think women have any business being in Special Forces unless they can hang by the EXACT same standards as men.  Even then, if there were such a creature, I've been around the Army enough (my whole life) that I've seen all the problems that come with an integrated force and that's a whole big, fat can of worms that I can totally understand why they don't want to open.  Not to mention the whole POW, high value target issue...  JMHO.

Armywife74, Sorry I went off point but the word “hollow�  caught my eye. No offense taken as I believe she should receive neither the certificate nor the title of Special Forces Soldier.

Actually, she could have received disciplinary action under Article 133: Conduct unbecoming an officer. She violated Army core values and her oath as an officer in the United States Army by cheating on an exam.

Sometimes I wonder where these lawyers and judges went to law school...and who appoionted these guys anyway??? It is kind of funny though; the ruling in this case seems more like the litigation of today’s civil court.

I have found that most people that start hiding behind the law and legal action are scared of the truth coming out. You know in your heart how and why you were finally, awarded a beret, so do the people who worked the course when you went through the "O" "paper flash" portion. Stop posing as something you are not and never were. I am sure you did your share while in the military and things were much different for women in uniform back then, but enough is enough. You - a green beret... remember before you get in too deep that there are still instructors around who were there and have first hand knowledge of the facts and they are subject to come out as has happened with other over inflated claims of accomplishment. Ask John Kerry how that worked out for him. For every story there is some degree of truth on which great tales are spun. There is only one woman who truly deserved to wear the beret she was awarded as an honorary member and that is Martha "Maggie" Raye, but she was fast to point out she was an honorary member. The difference is she was and if she were still alive would still be welcomed in the team house with open arms. Can you say the same? I might be wrong, but I would venture a guess you would be about as welcome as Jane Fonda, and you know what SF thinks of her.