what's going to happen to him? SOUNDS LIKE DISHONORABLE to me. jail time maybe. that's one rat that abandoned ship.

MayGirl wrote:

Wow.  That's harsh.  Sounds like folks here are pretty quick to judge!  What happened to "innocent until PROVEN guilty?"  I think there's ALOT more to this story that what AllMilitary has provided.  Perhaps you should check out this link to get the REAL STORY:
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/05/n … r_051908w/

What real story? The link you provided agrees with everything that has been said so far. The first story was from the same source, the Navy Times. Nothing the person charged has said in the article is a valid excuse for his actions. Everything in the military revolves around orders. If you do not have orders in hand you do not wear the rank or the award. The regulations on such issues are available for everyone to see.

You are obviously close to the issue. Karen (MayGirl), I know you are related to the accused. I am just not sure how.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/05/n … ng_050808/

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/05/n … cm_050808/

I believe its called either "denial" or lack of "reading comprehension".  In either case, it's sad.

Doug Kirk wrote:

I see, A fakers assistant. Thank you MayGirl.

MayGirl is nuts. She send me an email that borders on the criminal. She falsely accuses me of banning her. She had not been banned as of the arrival of her email. She is so warped as to say my posts in this thread constitute (her) identity theft and civil entrapment. She also says that those at AllMilitary are not patriots and defenders of this country and likens everyone to "our current foes in Iraq" who have no respect for women.

Since the United States Navy and the NavyTimes new media think there is something to this story, we will continue to follow it in the days ahead.

Judith:

I'm primed and ready to receive and return.

I do not know who you people are and frankly, I don't care. It is your right to say any nasty little thing, without proof and knowing the full story. Just because the media printed it doesn't make it true.  You can look like fools all you like by this action and people will know it. I know the truth about this case, so does the government -- who dropped all charges after being admonished by a Naval Judge for bringing weak administrative charges into his General Court. And with this man having served with distinction in Iraq, where he was injured. Do you routinely kick people while they are down?

Another post mentions he was an officer -- yes, he is.  However, the USN never sent him to DCO school.  Just pushed him out there to figure it all out for himself in a war zone.  What does that say? 

However, when you abuse your power as a site administrator by printing in a post my real first name, after you and your co-cohorts have welcomed this and utilize the practice of anonymous posts yourselves I am fearful of.  And to say you reviewed my bio on a business website is disgusting. Why request an anonymous posting if, as the site administrator, you're not going to abide by your own rules and keep identities private? How is ANYONE visiting this site able to trust relaying their postings to you? I would seek legal recourse for civil entrapment and identity theft for what you have done but I really don't think very many people visit this less than honorable site.

Finally, to call yourselves patriots and defenders of what this country stands for, including civility and respect to women (a trait unknown by our current foes in Iraq) is beyond the pale. How dare you would treat anyone like this, let alone a lady. Shame on you!  Could you not just say "her opinion" and not call me names (ie: stupid, etc.)?

I shall not utilize the same tactic you have in revealing and defaming you as you have done to me but I will caution you - be careful  in any further use of my personal information. Identity theft is a Federal Charge, "MichaelAGates", if that is even your name.

Now she is banned. She obviously did not read the user agreement and privacy policy.

You agree that by submitting communications through the VAJOE.COM website, no confidential, fiduciary, contractually implied, or other relationship is created between you and VAJOE.COM, Inc. other than pursuant to this Privacy Policy.

http://www.AllMilitary.com/privacy.html

http://www.AllMilitary.com/user_agreement.html

We do not protect those who would abuse.


Civil Entrapment

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

I do not think that such a thing as Civil Entrapment exists. But, following her "logic", she is saying that she commited a crime, a crime that she would normally not have committed, if I had not induced or persuaded her to commit that crime. So, she thinks she has committed a crime. Huh.

Ignorance is no excuse. A person can never claim that they are screwed up because they did not know they were screwed up . . . If that worked, we would have anarchy.

As an officer, or NCO for that matter, a soldier must know the regs. The Army, or Navy in this case, is not going to sit you down and teach you how to wipe your butt. You argue he did not have proper training and therefore did not know the regs. I am sorry to say but nearly every reg in existence is online.

If I had to rely on what I was "taught" and what was officially handed down to me rather than look up the info on my own, I would be a screwed up soldier; I would be a screwed up teacher; I would be a screwed up person.

According to the article, he guy received orders from the Navy telling him to stop, but insisted on listening to what the Army guys in his unit told him. Sorry, but that is common sense. If CPT Bubba Joe from the Army is telling me something about my uniform and promotion, and I am an officer in the Navy who receives orders from my commander to remove my rank, I am going to remove my rank. And that is just one of the many screw ups listed.

How many strikes does he deserve?

By the way,
Good call on banning her Mr. Gates.
and to everyone have a safe and happy Memorial day weekend.

Best regards,
Jay

MayGirl wrote:

I shall not utilize the same tactic you have in revealing and defaming you as you have done to me but I will caution you - be careful  in any further use of my personal information. Identity theft is a Federal Charge, "MichaelAGates", if that is even your name.

Maybe the crime she is refering is the one when she lied about me commiting identity theft.

What is identity theft?

Identity theft occurs when someone uses your personally identifying information, like your name, Social Security number, or credit card number, without your permission, to commit fraud or other crimes.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/i … ntitytheft

sheees, what a knot head, makes me think that she just might be married to that idot.

I think it is time for a straight jacket and padded room for her and a couple of shrinks for her to talk to, but i doubt if that will help, and i agree with the moderator in banning her, sure dont need that type on here.

AND GOD BLESS OUR TROUPS AND I AM REMEMBERING ALL THAT HAVE GIVEN THERE LIVE FOR US.

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david cook wrote:

knowing all the facts does paint a better view, but you have to go with what you have.  being a retiree, i take ofence to the remark about my and other's  patrotism

david,

How many thousands of times are you going to here American Idol Jokes?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Welcome onboard.